Retour d'Est Genoa Low

So what is a Retour d'Est or Genoa Low and why is it so good for skiing?

I first came across this weather phenomenon way back in March 2014 a good few years before it became part of powder hounds vocabulary and legend

So there we were, way back when, actually March 2014 to be precise. We were staying just down from Saint Veran, which is the highest commune in Europe at 2042m in the village of Gaudissard at the La Maison de Gaudissard .

On our second day, we awoke to some light snow, and our plans changed as the locals advised that, if we were to go further towards Italy, there would be more snow as this was a 'Retour d'Est' and snowfalls of up to a metre in 24hrs are not uncommon.

So we headed to the resort of Abries, the snow was already falling much much heavier than in St Veran / Molines and a good day was had.

That was my first experience of the Retour d'Est, more here about that first trip, and since 2014 I've lost count of the number of road trips that I've made, some exactly that, a day's excursion (always a good couple of hours to get to where the snow is), whilst other trips, notably Val Maira and Limone Piemonte have been part of a week-long tour.

Since 2014 I've seen many a website jump on the Retour d'Est band-wagon and in some ways that has been detrimental, as our first road trips to the Queyras we were in the minority now you have to arrive at Abries for first lifts.

However, if you're prepared to travel further afield then there are other locations that offer lift access to great off-piste and are nowhere near as busy, though will depend on the day of the week, and of course, if you're prepared to get your skins on then there are so many more options!

I'm not going to explain the science of what constitutes a Retour d'Est or Genoa Low, as the top image, and image below pretty well shows what it is. 

Radar Genoa low Retour d'Est

But those lines you see on the chart, isobars, show how the front tracks counterclockwise in an area of low pressure (depression), and unlike Atlantic low-pressure systems that can track across the UK in a matter of hours the "Genoa Low" will often not budge for a couple of days and will continue to dump bringing "weather" on a continually rotating basis from the East, hence "Retour d'Est".

Retour Est which are the best ski resorts that get the snow?

I've updated this article as we await the start of another season (15th November 2021), in fact we were due to leave for Serre Chevalier yesterday, but the snow forecast has not been good. For ten or so days prior there was some snow forecast off the back of a Retour Est but it looked as if the usual resorts of Prali, Sestrierre and Abries would benefit and Serre Che would just get a few crumbs off the table.

And that very much looks the case as the infographics below show (c/o

So this was the scenario for the Alps.

Radar Genoa low Retour d'Est

And now zoomed in to the Western Alps and you can clearly see how localised the precipitation is and how intense the snow-fall is in quite a small area, that which is yellow and purple.

Radar Genoa low Retour d'Est

And at the centre of it all as is so often the case the ski resort of Prali, and you can see the predicted snowfall accumulations.

Retour d'Est Prali snowfall

And then Sestriere as well as the lesser know resort of Pragelato also do well.

Retour d'Est Sestriere snowfall

I have noticed over the years that many resorts in the Northern Alps also try to lay claim to benefitting from a Retour D'Est but as this shows Bonneval Sur Arc is just about at the most Northern point as maybe the Col de l'Iseran is a natural barrier, similar to the Col du Lautaret stopping weather systems that benefit the Northern Alps making their way to the Southern Alps.

Retour d'Est Bonneval sur Arc snowfall

And then how Serre Chevalier hardly reaps any benefit in this particular occurrence of the Retour D'Est.

Retour d'Est Serre Chevalier snowfall

When/where it gets difficult to predict, is that all it can take is a movement of 30km of the low-pressure system and or overall size of it and that can be the difference between the likelihood of resorts such as Serre Chevalier, Val Cenis and even Val d'Isère benefitting.

Similar to my first experience of a Retour d'Est when we were in Molines, and then travelling three valleys further North to Abries / Ristolas the difference in accumulation was staggering.

When I first wrote this feature back in 2019 there was a Retour d'Est / Genoa low on the cards and these two charts show just how fickle predictions can be only a couple of days out, as the low develops.

Genoa low Retour d'Est
Genoa low Retour d'Est

When and where to go to make the most of the Retour d'Est Genoa Low

Really only those who are extremely flexible can make the most of the Retour d'Est, powder hounds who can drop anything and chase the fresh, guides who will be studying the weather systems as to where best to take their clients and that they too have the flexibility of taking their clients where the best snow is, and that often means securing accommodation at the last minute, though with the likes of Air BnB and that side of logistics is a little easier than five years ago.

Choosing where to go often is based on where your "base camp" is, for us in Serre Chevalier the Queyras and Milky Way is a far easier option than resorts in Piedmont near Mont Viso such as Prali, Crissolo and Limone Piemonte.

The other major variable as has been alluded to is where will be the best snowfall be and then to have to weigh the options up in terms of road trip viability, short haul or long haul :)

And all the above depends on studying the plethora of forecast sites that are out on the web!

Discrepancies of Forecast Models

I usually start of looking at long term GFS ensembles and then if something looks of interest look closer at the synoptic weather charts to see what might be producing the predicted precipitation.

Genoa low Retour d'Est


 I will then go and look at a site like WePowder / SnowForecast to see where the most snow is predicted to fall, and that is where the anomalies start!

Genoa low Retour d'Est

I will then go and look at a site like WePowder / SnowForecast to see where the most snow is predicted to fall, and that is where the anomalies start, as the numerous forecast sites use different models to generate their own "spin" on the models with various graphic interfaces.

Below is the forecast for Abries, and as you can see nigh on 60cm as at 21st January 2019

Genoa low Retour d'Est

 Below is Snow Forecast for Abries and the same time frame and as you can see only 30+ cm

Genoa low Retour d'Est

And now the forecast site I use the most, and even then based on quite a few years experience will mentally half what they predict, in this case, 12mm which should be 12cm

Genoa low Retour d'Est

It really is only a day before that you can be at least 75% sure and even then we've arrived to find only 15cm of fresh when there was meant to be 35+

Late at night or first thing in the morning, I will look at the precipitation radar(s) as this is the most accurate picture (apart from webcams) of how much snow is actually falling. 

The radar image below was of smaller Retour d'Est Genoa Low system that did result in snow Serre Chevalier, hence we did not need to do a road trip.

Radar Genoa low Retour d'Est

Timings, how to get the best out of a Retour d'Est and what you might/should expect

Chasing powder via road trips can be a little frustrating, my best experiences have been when I'm staying in the immediate vicinity to make the most of the conditions, even then that too can go wrong.

Chasing powder = storm riding which invariably means low visibility and often too much snow which can result in upper lifts being the case due to avalanche risk.

Three out of four trips to Prali have been exactly that with only the main chair running, hence packing skins is always a good idea. Also, it's only really now since my last trip to Prali with good visibility that I now know the resort a little better, however, there are still sectors to be explored.

Most day road trips from Serre we end up storm riding though have been fortunate to be there the day after and still scored untracked.

Time of year is also important. As fresh snow in March can be powder first thing as it falls, but very quickly with temps above freezing will get heavy and almost unskiable. 

As I mentioned above I started writing this feature when a Retour d'Est Genoa Low was on the cards, however, it's not to be, for sure there's still going to be some snow, but the low-pressure system is very volatile and quickly moves South as you can see from the forecast accumulations below which have drastically changed from the same chart above

Genoa low Retour d'Est

Past Road Trips

These links are to previous articles and features. This was my first experience of a Retour d'Est in the Queyras back in 2014 when we were touring down there for four days. This was a road trip to Limone Piemonte en route to Val Maira, think we were there for a couple of days. 

This feature is an interview with the owners of a Locanda / Gite in the heart of Val Maira. And last year we scored some superb conditions in Abries / Ristolas.

There are a whole load more trips buried away in the blogs (use the search function) and this trip was maybe one of the classics, to Val Maira where we were enchanted by the Italian 'folletti' or goblins, bringing us fresh powder every day, so light it was Italian Fairy dust.

The picture below is of the author encountering the Italian Smoke / Fairy Dust

Radar Genoa low Retour d'Est

On that day, my good friend, a guide Per As was skiing in Abries, and he said that was his best day skiing ever, anywhere in the World including Japan!

So looks like we will not be visiting Abries this week, and we now concentrate on where the next road trip will lead to.

And this is a Cafe in Abries, and any village that has a Cafe named after a weather system is pretty cool.

Radar Genoa low Retour d'Est

11th November 2019 Update 

As we enter the start of another season, we've already seen one Genoa Low early November delivering a lot of rain at lower altitudes and snow above 2,500m.

And now we're getting excited at the prospect of another one, but this time temps are far colder.

Note the area of low pressure centred over Northern Italy, Genoa to be precise, and this is a Classic Genoa Low, or Retour d'Est, which will deliver snow to the Southern Alpes and Alpes Maritimes. There are also other volatile fronts tracking over the Alpes that will develop as the week touring with dogs

And this is the impact of those fronts, with the Southern and Alpes Maritimes benefitting from the Genoa Low and the Central and Northern Alpes maximising from the systems tracking across.

ski touring with dogs